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  • Not All Vape Cartridge Lab Tests Are Equal

    The assumption that many people may make is that once a cannabis extract cartridge brand posts a lab test page, they are now "clean" and in the clear. Here's why that's a bad assumption:

    The below applies mostly to California, but other states have similar processes. California is where most of the cart black market centers anyway. In California, a lab test results page is known as a COA (Certificate of Analysis). California's standards for COAs are right here:

    https://bcc.ca.gov/about_us/document..._factsheet.pdf

    R&D Testing is for PRIVATE use only!

    R&D (Research and Development) AKA QA (Quality Assurance) testing is provided by cannabis testing laboratories as a courtesy service. It is done for the purpose of quality assurance, or for private consumers who want to bring in any cartridge to test it.

    Let's say you're a cannabis extractor, and you have pressed a new batch of flower, processed it into oil, etc. Before you package the whole batch, you want to test your process to make sure there's no issues. You fill one cartridge and bring it in. When you see the results, you can quality check your own process to review it for issues.

    Or let's say you're an end consumer with a medical card. You have a prescription for CBD oil, but you want to make sure it limits the THC percentage. You can bring in a sample to test, and find out more about what you'll be taking.

    Contact any cannabis product testing laboratory, and they will tell you that you, the consumer, are not supposed to see an R&D lab page at all. It is not meant to vouch for the safety of a product. A dead giveaway that you're looking at an R&D page is that the license number and address of the testing party is omitted. In addition, some labs will also mark each page as "R&D."

    There are also some labs, such as Flower Potency Testing, which clearly say right on their front page that they are "R&D only."
    https://www.flowerpottesting.com/
    Hence, every test you can see with a Flower Potency Labs logo is an R&D test.

    Compliance Testing is for commercial release.

    Compliance Testing is an entirely different process. As required by strict regulation, the process is overseen by the lab from start to finish.
    • The process is documented and sent in to the BCC (Bureau of Cannabis Control).
    • The process is also recorded by a third-party track-and-trace system.
    • The producer makes the entire batch of oil available to the lab.
    • The lab sends a courier to select random samples from the entire batch.
    • A video recording is made of this process.
    • The sample is sealed and made tamper-proof before transport.
    • License numbers from the testing party must be submitted.
    • Should the compliance testing come back dirty for pesticides, metals, residual solvents, or other health concerns, the entire batch is to be destroyed, recorded by the track-and-trace system.
    Encore Labs has a complete breakdown of this process.
    https://www.encore-labs.com/californ...urance-testing
    There is even more documentation and protocol to it than we've included here.

    Any brand which posts R&D lab results as a claim of product safety is committing a fraud.

    You should be doubly suspicious of any cart brand that does this. They can't claim to not know about health and safety risks because they are publishing lab results. But they are doing so deceptively, and every cannabis product testing facility should be briefing them on the legalities. We have also caught companies altering their lab results via Photoshop and other methods, which is blatant fraud as well.

    Cannabis extracts are difficult enough to get right even for fully licensed, professional facilities. Once a company has lied to you, why should you trust them with your health?

    At the very least, you should be able to scan the QR code on a lab test results page and find the original hosted on the laboratory's chosen site, or be able to contact the lab and check to make sure you're looking at an actual compliance test.
    Last edited by Penguin Pete; 03-19-2020, 09:39 PM.

  • #2
    Great rundown, tons of places putting out the R&D tests but basically they can just drop off what they want

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    • #3
      Saw this on reddit. Great info and breakdown and that's the type of test I am probably seeing mostly on the "unregistered brands."

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      • #4

        Yup, I reached out to this organization asking about CLEAR CHRONIC carts and got the same "we can't tell you" response. Now I have sourced ROVE carts in the child proof box and the CA sticker and am being told "oh, if it doesn't have a QR code, it is fake. Cannot fucking win. Just smoke flower everybody.

        https://rovebrand.com/realrove/

        Aracely Velez (Steep Hill Customers)
        Feb 7, 10:13 AM PST


        If you have a product that states it was tested by us, please provide the sample ID or the batch ID and I can send over those reports. Otherwise I cannot give out any other information regarding a product called CLEAR CHRONIC.

        Respectfully,
        Aracely Velez
        Customer Experience Specialist

        E: [email protected]­steephill​.com
        T: ­(51­0) ­562-­7400

        Steep Hill Labs
        1005 Parker Street
        Berkeley, CA 94710
        Feb 7, 10:04 AM PST
        I am specifically looking for lab test results on an oil vape cartridge brand called CLEAR CHRONIC.



















        On Friday, February 7, 2020, 12:34:03 PM EST, Aracely Velez (Steep Hill) <[email protected]> wrote:









        Aracely Velez (Steep Hill Customers)
        Feb 7, 9:34 AM PST
        Hello,

        Thank you for reaching out. Unfortunately we do not allow public access to our report as they are confidential.

        If you have a product that states it was tested by us, please provide the sample ID or the batch ID and I can send over those reports.

        Respectfully,
        Aracely Velez
        Customer Experience Specialist

        E: [email protected]­steephill​.com
        T: ­(51­0) ­562-­7400

        Steep Hill Labs
        1005 Parker Street
        Berkeley, CA 94710

        Feb 7, 7:48 AM PST
        Steep Hill team,


        I am specifically looking for lab test results on an oil vape cartridge brand called CLEAR CHRONIC.



        Name xxx



        Email Address xxxx



        and the organization (if any) of affiliation none, independent researcher






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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hammer865 View Post
          Yup, I reached out to this organization asking about CLEAR CHRONIC carts and got the same "we can't tell you" response. Now I have sourced ROVE carts in the child proof box and the CA sticker and am being told "oh, if it doesn't have a QR code, it is fake. Cannot fucking win. Just smoke flower everybody.

          https://rovebrand.com/realrove/

          Aracely Velez (Steep Hill Customers)
          Feb 7, 10:13 AM PST


          If you have a product that states it was tested by us, please provide the sample ID or the batch ID and I can send over those reports. Otherwise I cannot give out any other information regarding a product called CLEAR CHRONIC.

          Respectfully,
          Aracely Velez
          Customer Experience Specialist

          E: [email protected]­steephill​.com
          T: ­(51­0) ­562-­7400

          Steep Hill Labs
          1005 Parker Street
          Berkeley, CA 94710
          Feb 7, 10:04 AM PST
          I am specifically looking for lab test results on an oil vape cartridge brand called CLEAR CHRONIC.



















          On Friday, February 7, 2020, 12:34:03 PM EST, Aracely Velez (Steep Hill) <[email protected]> wrote:









          Aracely Velez (Steep Hill Customers)
          Feb 7, 9:34 AM PST
          Hello,

          Thank you for reaching out. Unfortunately we do not allow public access to our report as they are confidential.

          If you have a product that states it was tested by us, please provide the sample ID or the batch ID and I can send over those reports.

          Respectfully,
          Aracely Velez
          Customer Experience Specialist

          E: [email protected]­steephill​.com
          T: ­(51­0) ­562-­7400

          Steep Hill Labs
          1005 Parker Street
          Berkeley, CA 94710

          Feb 7, 7:48 AM PST
          Steep Hill team,


          I am specifically looking for lab test results on an oil vape cartridge brand called CLEAR CHRONIC.



          Name xxx



          Email Address xxxx



          and the organization (if any) of affiliation none, independent researcher





          Bah what a headache - and yes you are right for sure, if there's no 100% legit carts around better off with straight flower

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          • #6
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            Hammer865

            Aha, Clear Chronic:
            https://dabconnection.com/reviews/ca...clear-chronic/

            Yep, that was one we covered where I was beefing about them playing games with lab test pages too. Thank you for reminding me!

            I also found a lab test in those links, but I see the example I link to from that post has now been taken down. I need to save every copy of every lab test page I ever see from now on.

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